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Wednesday, February 02, 2005

It's Doe Snot

“Doe snot” is what we get when we're dealing with the result of a copy of a copy of a copy with additional errors introduced at each stage (frequently due to mistakes by optical character recognition software with no error correction, fact checking, or evidence of mental activity on the part of the alleged humans involved). It's sometimes possible to trace it by the typos.

In particular, Edgar Steele (quoted on Badlands) passed the following quotes as though he had personally checked it:

    "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts." - Saba Mecia, 114, 6.
The actual quote from the Talmud (Baba Metzia, 114b):
Said he [Rabbah] to him: Art thou not a priest: why then dost thou stand in a cemetery? - He replied: Has the Master not studied the laws of purity? For it has been taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai said: The graves of Gentiles do not defile, for it is written, And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men; only ye are designated “men”.
This is a discussion of whether the ruling that Jewish priests are not permitted to enter a Jewish cemetery (full of the people they're responsible for) also applies to gentile cemeteries. The rabbis ruled that gentile cemeteries don't have to keep out Jewish priests. This was apparently incompatible with the original ruling which applied to dead humans in general but they got around that by quoting a line from the prophet Ezekiel (34:31) who said:
And you my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, says the Lord God.
This was interpreted to mean that only Jews are commanded to pay attention to Jewish ritual. Similarly, the line “England expects ever man to do his duty” only applies to Englishmen. That doesn't mean non-Englishmen are beasts.

Some antisemites have claimed that the term “goyim” (which usually refers to gentiles) means “cattle.” On Alt.revisionism, John Morris came up with a famous Biblical quote with the word “goyim” translated as “cattle”:

Oh yeah? Then explain *this*, Mr. Talmudic Scholar:

   And he shall judge among the cattle, and shall rebuke
   many cows: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
   and their spears into pruninghooks: cattle shall not lift up
   sword against cattle, neither shall they learn war any more.
                      --Isaiah 2:4

"Goyim" obviously means cattle. Haven't you ever heard of the great
cattle wars in the American Old West? Of course, by then swords were
ceremonial weapons worn only by the cattle officers. Your real
fighting cow used a rifle.

They may be gentle, lowing beasts of the field to you, but I know
better: cattle are dangerous when armed; hence, the prophet's
In possibly-related news, there's Cows with Guns (seen via The AnalPhilosopher).

On the other hand, if Edgar Steele is really offended by the fact that his corpse does not defile a Jewish priest, we can declare that his body will defile anybody while still alive.

Meanwhile, we see that Steele has gotten rusty at maintaining consistency:

    "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere.  It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces." -Schuichan Qruch, Choszen Hajpiszpat jog 


    "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings." - Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaiw 14, 20, 32, 33, 39. TaIDud Jebamoth 61. 

“Schuichan Qruch”? “Schulchan Oruch”? Or “TaIDud” instead of “Talmud”? I realize that some may appreciate a pleasing variety of spelling styles, but it looks like a case of copying people who made things up.

But wait, there's more:

    (Jesus Christ was) illegitimate and conceived during menstruation.  Mother a Prostitute. - Kallah 1b. (18b)
If we look at a typical example of this type of quote in the original (in Shabbat 104b), it doesn't mention Jesus by name and the Mary in question is mentioned in a phrase that gives the following when transliterated from the Aramaic (thanks to Mel Gibson, we can now challenge antisemites who try quoting their version of the Talmud to state the quotes in the original Aramaic):
Who do you think MYRM MGDLA was?

For a more detailed look at this kind of nonsense, see David Maddison's site.


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